Monday, November 4, 2024

Brief Observations on Non-Harming in the Platonic Tradition

4 November 2024

Brief Observations on Non-Harming in the Platonic Tradition


1.  From the brief look I have taken of the teachings on non-harming in the Platonic tradition, I get the impression that Plato received these teachings from previous sources.  ‘Previous sources’ means, I think, the usual candidates such as Pythagoreanism, Orphism, and likely some mystery traditions.  These observations on non-harming and non-retaliation are referenced here and there in Plato in a way that leads me to think that they are an accepted part of that inherited tradition.  Perhaps that can be verified by research into earlier philosophers and spiritual traditions.


2.  As regular readers know, I am of the view that Platonism more closely resembles Dharmic traditions found in India than it resembles contemporary philosophy.  The teachings on non-harming reinforce that view for me because non-harming, ahimsa, is foundational for a number of Dharmic traditions.  Is it possible that these teachings arrived in the West from India centuries before Socrates and Plato?  I think it is possible, but in order to think of this as more than just a possibility it would be necessary to compare the teachings of ahimsa in Dharmic traditions to the teachings on non-harming in Platonism.  Are they structured in the same way?  Do both of them use similar examples to illustrate what they mean by non-harming?  And so forth.


3.  It is also possible that the teachings on non-harming in India and in the West come from a shared common source that is very ancient.  Looked at in this way the teachings on non-harming in Dharmic and Platonic contexts would be branches of these teachings.  It would be difficult to make a case for this, but perhaps it might not be impossible.


4.  In the context of Platonism, I wonder how Platonists placed non-harming in their overall teachings.  I mean is non-harming a virtue and therefore a part of its ethical teaching?  I have not run into non-harming in my reading on the virtues, but my reading on this is not very wide.


Or is non-harming a purification practice like vegetarianism, to which non-harming is strongly tied?  


Or perhaps non-harming is more metaphysical in the sense of non-harming being an expression of the One and the Good?


Or perhaps non-harming is an alignment with the transcendental in the way that contemplation is that kind of alignment?


5.  How does non-harming fit in with ethical teachings found in Platonism?  Particularly, how does non-harming impact what most people consider to be the political teachings of Platonism?  


I am thinking in particular of how Platonism understands war which is the greatest of human harms.  In The Laws it states that all adults of the city should train for war at least once a month.  Is this consistent with the understanding of non-harming?  Or is there a friction between these two perspectives?


6.  In Porphyry’s On Abstinence from Killing Animals, Porphyry writes that refraining from killing, eating, sacrificing, or harming animals is specifically a practice for philosophers rather than a practice Porphyry recommends for society as a whole.  I wonder if that is true also for non-harming?


7.  Is non-harming a Form; that is to say is the source of non-harming found in the noetic?  If non-harming is a Form then non-harming emanates the presence of non-harming into the material realm.


It is my understanding of the noetic realm that it is a realm in which differentiation does not lead to strife.  That is to say that noetic realities, such as being, numbers, life, and so forth, are transparent to each other and mutually co-existent.  If that is true, then non-harming is the manner in which noetic realities relate to each other rather than a distinct form itself.


8.  In a number of dialogues Plato depicts the philosopher as someone who is a bit clumsy in their interactions with normal society.  For this reason the philosopher is sometimes the butt of jokes and can be, at times, pitied by ordinary people.  I think that non-harming is one of the aspects of the life of a philosopher that can bring ordinary people to this negative conclusion about philosophers.  The norm in society is to harm those who have harmed us; in fact someone who does not return harm for harm is often viewed as weak or even cowardly.  


But it is more than that.  Initiating harm is a very common feature of human society.  War is the starkest example as wars are initiated most often for phony reasons.  The truth is most people do not think there is anything wrong with war and that war is, in some way, profound.  From this perspective war is not something to overcome or do away with.  But non-harming and non-retaliation would, if widely practiced, lead to the cessation of war and other forms of organized violence.  I think it would transform human beings both at the individual level and at the sociological level as well into something that is almost unrecognizable.


9.  In Phaedo Socrates, when talking about separating the soul from the body, will sometimes suggest that we need to do this to the degree it is possible for a human being with a body to do.  Similarly, I think it is impossible to practice non-harming completely as long as we are living in the material world.  But that doesn’t mean that non-harming should not be practiced and cultivated as part of our Platonic practice.  


10.  Thinking about non-harming has shifted my understanding of Platonism.  This shift has been subtle but significant; more like a spring breeze than a hurricane.  It has reinforced my view that Platonism is a spiritual tradition that is meant to guide people to the transcendent, to that which is beyond the material and sensory world.  And I suspect that these teachings on non-harming make the path to the transcendent clearer and more accessible.  



Monday, October 28, 2024

Platonism on Non-Harming: 4

 28 October 2024

Platonism on Non-Harming: 4


I switched from “Plato on Non-Harming” to “Platonism on Non-Harming” because this post refers to Oration 12 written by Maximus of Tyre who was a second century Platonist.  The title of Oration 12 is “Revenge.”  It refers directly, or paraphrases, Plato’s Dialogues Crito, which I have previously referred to, and The Apology.  


The Oration opens with a reference to a poem by Pindar, as well as to events in the Odyssey that I think most readers are not familiar with (I don’t recall them off hand.)  Maximus also takes time to assert his view that virtue is ‘inalienable’ which is a disputed position in the history of Platonism.  


At paragraph 4 the Oration examines the impact of intention in cases of wrongdoing, and starting with paragraph 5 it focuses on the issues surrounding non-retaliation and continues this discussion to the conclusion.  I will start my quotation with paragraph 4:


“4.  We might suggest therefore that wrongdoing is to be defined not by reference to the removal of anything from the victim, but by reference to the intentions of the perpetrator.  A bad man could then be wronged by another bad man, even if he does not possess the good; a good man could be wronged by a bad man even if the good he has is inalienable.  I accept this account that connects wrongdoing with the moral defect shown in the intention, rather than with the success of the actual attempt; the law certainly punishes not only the man who does the deed by also the man who intends to do it: the housebreaker who attempts a burglary, even if he is discovered; the intending traitor, even if he does not act.  This whole line of argument, taken together, will bring us to the required conclusion.  The good man neither commits nor suffers wrong: he does not commit wrong because he lacks the desire to; he does not suffer wrong because his virtue is inalienable.  The bad man, on the other hand, commits wrong but does not suffer it: he commits wrong because he is bad; <he does not suffer wrong because he is innocent> of good.  Moreover, if Virtue alone and nothing else is good, the bad man’s lack of Virtue means that he has nothing to be wronged in.  But if other things in addition to Virtue are also good – physical attributes and one’s external fortunes and surroundings – then in the absence of Virtue it is better for these things to be absent than for them to be present – with the result that not even thus would the bad man suffer wrong, by being deprived of any of these things he makes such ill use of.  Therefore if we define wrongdoing by reference to intention, the bad man commits wrong but does not suffer it * . . . . *


“5.  * . . . . * the bad man wishes to commit wrong, he is in fact not able to.  His desire sets him either against a man like himself or against his better.  But what is his better to do?  Is he to inflict a wrong on the bad man in return?  Yet the bad man has nothing to be wronged in, since it is precisely the absence of the good that makes him bad.  In that case the sensible man will refrain from committing a reciprocal wrong against the bad man both in deed (the other has nothing to be wronged in), and in intention (being good, he has no more desire to do wrong than a pipe-player does to play out of tune.)  And in general, if doing wrong is bad, then so too is doing wrong in return.  The man who does wrong incurs no extra charge of wickedness in virtue of having acted first; instead, the man who returns the wrong puts himself on the same level of baseness by hitting back.  If the man who does wrong acts badly, then the man who returns the wrong acts no less badly, even if he is taking revenge for a prior offence.  Just as someone who returns a favour to his beneficiary acts no less well for the fact that he was benefited first, so the person who ensures a similar reciprocity in the sphere of harmful action acts no less badly for the fact that he was harmed first.


“6.  What limits will there then be to the harm done?  If the victims of wrongdoing take their revenge, the harm will for ever be transferred from one to the other and perpetuate itself, and one act of wrongdoing will follow another.  The same justification by which you allow the victim to take his revenge is equally effective in allowing the right of retaliation to pass back from him to the original offender; the justification is open to both of them equally.  For God’s sake, look at what you have brought about!  Where will it come to rest?  Don’t you realize that this is an inexhaustible source of wickedness that you are opening up, that you are laying down a law that will lead the whole earth into harm?  It was just this principle that brought men the great misfortunes of days gone by, armed expeditions of foreigners and Greeks crossing to attack each other, robbing and warring and plundering, and making the preceding wrong their excuse for each new one.  The Phoenicians kidnap a royal princess from Argos; the Greeks kidnap a foreign girl from Colchis; then the Phrygians strike again, taking a Spartan woman from the Peloponnese.  It is obvious how ill succeeds ill, how pretexts for war arise, how wrongs multiply.  This same process brought Greece into destructive conflict with herself too – self-styled victims of wrongs attacking their neighbours, in inexhaustible rage and undying anger and lust for revenge and moral ignorance.


“7.  But if the victims of wrong could only understand that their own wrongdoing is the greatest of ills for the perpetrators themselves – worse than war and the razing of their fortifications and the ravaging of their territory and the imposition of tyranny - then Greece would not have been overwhelmed with such crushing misfortunes.  The Athenians are laying siege to Potidaea.  Leave them be, Spartan; they will repent of it soon enough!  Don’t imitate them in their evil-doing, don’t lay yourself open to the same reproach!  If you seize the pretext and advance against Plataea, the island of Melos, your neighbour, is done for; the island of Aegina, your friend, is done for; the city Scione, your ally, is done for.  By capturing one city you will only bring about the sack of many.  Just as, when people risk their lives at sea on business, they pay exorbitant interest on the money they have borrowed, so when people take revenge in anger they pay an exorbitant interest on the disasters they inflict.  And to the Athenian I say: ‘You have captured Sphacteria; give Sparta back her men!  See sense while your fortunes are good!  If you do not you will have the men, but you won’t have your triremes.’  Lysander may score successes in the Hellespont and Sparta may wax mighty.  But keep away from Thebes!  If you do not, you will have a catastrophe at Leuctra and a disaster at Mantinea to weep over.


“8. What a murky and misguided style of Justice!  It was for this reason that Socrates refused to grown angry with Aristophanes, or resent Meletus, or take revenge on Lycon, but instead cried out, ‘Anytus and Meletus can kill me but they cannot harm me; it is not permitted for a good man to be harmed by a villain.’  This is the true voice of Justice; if all spoke in it there would be no tragedies, no dramas on the stage, none of those many varieties of disaster.  Just as in the case of bodily diseases it is the creeping varieties that are the recalcitrant ones, demanding a cure capable of halting their advance in its tracks and so saving the rest of the body; so when a first act of injustice afflicts a house or a city, the canker must be stopped if the remainder is to be saved.  This is what destroyed the Pelopidae, this is what annihilated the Heracleidae and the house of Cadmus; this is what brought down Persiand, and Macedonians, and Greeks.  What an unremitting disease it is, afflicting the earth in cycle after cycle down the ages.


“9.  I would make so bold as to say that if it is possible for one kind of wrongdoing to surpass another, then the person who takes revenge is a worse wrongdoer than the original offender.  The latter commits his wrong through ignorance and has his punishment in the censure that follows; but the retaliator, by taking an equal share of guilt, actually frees him from his liability to censure.  Just as a man who becomes entangled with someone covered in soot cannot avoid staining his own body too, so anyone who sees fit to wrestle and take a fall with an unjust man cannot avoid sharing in his wickedness and becoming defiled by the same soot.  When two athletes with the same training and the same ambition compete together, I am entirely happy, since I can see that their natural endowments are comparable, their exercises similar, and the desire for victory equivalent in both cases.  But if a good man falls in with a villain, when the two don’t come from the same gymnasium, and haven’t been trained by the same trainer, or learned the same arts, or been taught the same throws, and don’t long for the same wreath and the same victory-proclamation, then their combat moves me to pity; it is an unequal contest.  It is inevitable that the bad man will win when he is competing in a stadium where the spectators are criminals and the organizers rogues.  In such a situation the good man is a layman and an ignoramus, innocent of suspicion and knavery and all the other tricks of the trade with which villainy fortifies and reinforces itself.  The man who has no endowment for it in natural aptitude, in acquired skill, or in habit merely makes himself ridiculous by trying to return wrong for wrong.


“10.  But, someone may say, it is because of this that the just man is slandered and brought to court and prosecuted and has his wealth confiscated and is thrown into prison and driven into exile and stripped of his citizenship and executed.  What then if children, making their own laws for themselves and convening their own court, were to arraign a grown man under their legislation, and then, if he was found guilty, were to vote that he should lose his rights in the commonwealth of children and were to   confiscate his childish effects, his knuckle-bones, and his toys: what is it reasonable to suppose a man would do <when condemned> by such a court?  <Would he not laugh them to scorn,> votes, condemnations, and all?  So Socrates laughed the Athenians to scorn, like children their votes and ordering the execution of a man who was in any case condemned to mortality.  So too any good and just man will laugh with free and honest laughter as he sees wrongdoers eagerly attacking him, convinced that they are achieving something noteworthy but in reality achieving nothing.  As they strip him of his rights he will cry the cry of Achilles:


‘I know that I am honoured in Zeus’ ordinance.’


“When they confiscate his wealth he will let it go as if it were his toys and knuckle-bones, and he will die as if from fever or the stone, with no resentment towards his murderers.”


(Maximus of Tyre, The Philosophical Orations, translated by M. B. Trapp, Clarendon Press, Oxford University, 1997, pages 110-115, ISBN: 0198149891)


1.  Maximus lived in the second century CE and Plato died in 348 BCE so there is a gap of many centuries between the two.  This means that the topic of non-harming, and particularly non-retaliation, was persistently discussed over a long period of time.  In some of the quotes from Plato, Socrates indicates that this teaching existed prior to his own teaching, meaning that it was a teaching Socrates learned from his predecessors.


2.  Paragraph 4 begins with a discussion of intention which adds a significant element to the quotes I have posted thus far.  Maximus considers harm to be dependent upon the intention of the person doing the harm.  This shifts the focus away from the act itself to the mental, or psychological state, of the one doing the harm.


Years ago when I was studying ancient Jain Sutras, there was a section in one of the Sutras (I don’t remember which one at the moment; it might have been the Akaranga Sutra) where a group of Jain Sages mock Buddhists for thinking that intention determines karma.  For Jains, karma and its consequences are the result of the actions done by the doer; the act itself determines the karmic consequences and psychological states, such as intention, are not considered.  The example the Jains use is that if a Buddhist picks up a gourd, not knowing there is a baby lying asleep in it, and tosses the gourd into the fire, then it follows from the Buddhist analysis of intention that the person who threw the gourd into the fire did nothing wrong; Jains find this completely unacceptable and for that reason mock Buddhist analysis.


Maximus shares the Buddhist interpretation, meaning that Maximus thinks that intention is determinative as to whether harm has happened.


3.  “The good man neither commits nor suffers wrong: he does not commit wrong because he lacks the desire to; he does not suffer wrong because his virtue is inalienable.”


This is a good summation.  The good man is, by definition, one who lacks the desire to harm, or do wrong to, others.  The good man does not suffer wrong because of the cultivation of virtue.  The cultivation of virtue leads to a sense of equanimity and acceptance.  The practice of contemplation also provides the practitioner with a sense of spaciousness in the midst of the constant shifts and changes in this world.  The harm directed at the good man is perceived by the good man as no different than a storm on a day which he thought would be mild.  “It is what it is” is a popular saying today that I think sums up this kind of feeling.


As an aside, the opening sections of The Consolation of Philosophy deal forcefully with the erratic nature of fortune and that the virtuous man is also subject to these ups and downs.


3.1  At times Maximus offers us only two possibilities; either someone is a good man or he is a bad man.  But most of us are somewhere between these two; that is to say we are a mixture of good and bad tendencies.  I don’t think this damages the analysis of Maximus, but the analysis might have been more ‘realistic’ if it had explicitly included these kinds of mixed-tendency types.


4.  It’s not clear to me why Maximus thinks that the bad man does not suffer from wrongdoing, or harm, directed at him.  The good man does not suffer from harm directed at him because he has cultivated virtue.  But the bad man has not cultivated virtue: doesn’t that imply that the bad man suffers, or feels, the harm done to him?  


Another way of looking at this is that the good man who suffers harm will not use that as a justification for doing harm to others; but the bad man will do exactly that.


Perhaps I am missing something from the argument Maximus presents.  In addition the text is corrupt indicated by the ellipses in brackets; it’s possible that something crucial is simply absent from the texts we have at this time.


5.  “And in general, if doing wrong is bad, then so too is doing wrong in return.”  This is completely in keeping with the teachings Socrates offers to Crito.


6.  “The same justification by which you allow the victim to take his revenge is equally effective in allowing the right of retaliation to pass back from him to the original offender; the justification is open to both of them equally. . . Don’t you realize this is an inexhaustible source of wickedness . . . “


This is the samsaric nature of the world in which we live.  This is why there is no end to the cycles of retaliation.  This is why the material realm is a sea of sorrow.  Only by cutting through the becoming and beginning of all things can this be brought to an end.


7.  “. . . the person who takes revenge is a worse wrongdoer than the original offender.”  The one who takes revenge is worse because he is setting up the conditions for the generation of endless back and forth retaliation.


8.  In paragraph 10 Maximus, using a section of Gorgias as his starting point (521e), compares being wronged to a good man being dragged into a court set up by children who then find the good man guilty.  The good man is punished by the children, but simply laughs at the situation rather than falling into despair.


“When they confiscate his [the good man’s] wealth he will let it go as if it were his toys and knuckle-bones, and he will die as if from fever or the stone, with no resentment towards his murderers.”


This is a result of cultivating apatheia.  It is also likely based on knowledge of one’s own past lives; I mean that when negative things happen to a good man it can be seen as the karmic result of negative things he has done in the past coming to fruition.  But the good man does not have to continue the karmic cycle.  The good man can break the cycle and by doing so come closer to that which transcends becoming and begoning, the Good, the One, and the Beautiful.


9.  The passage from Gorgias that Maximus relies on is as follows:


“Socrates: ‘. . . I’ll be judged the way a doctor would be judged by a jury of children if a pastry chef were to bring accusations against him.  Think about what a man like that, taken captive among these people, could say, “Children, this man has worked many great evils on you, yes, on you.  He destroys the youngest among you by cutting and burning them, and by slimming them down and choking and forces hunger and thirst on them.  He doesn’t feast you on a great variety of sweets the way I do!”  What do you think a doctor, caught in such an evil predicament, could say?  Or if he should tell them the truth and say, “Yes, children, I was doing all those things in the interest of health,” how big an uproar do you think such “judges” would make?  Wouldn’t it be a loud one?’”


(Plato, Gorgias, translated by Donald J. Zeyl, Plato: Complete Works, edited by John M. Cooper, Hackett Publishing Company, Indianapolis, 1997, page 864, 521e-522a, ISBN: 9780872203495)


Monday, October 21, 2024

Plato on Non-Harming: 3

21 October 2024

Plato on Non-Harming: 3


“Well, then, can those who are just make people unjust through justice?  In a word, can those who are good make people bad through virtue?

“They cannot.

“It isn’t the function of heat to cool things but of its opposite?

"Yes.

"Nor the function of dryness to make things wet but of its opposite?

"Indeed.

"Nor the function of goodness to harm but of its opposite?

“Apparently.

“And a just person is good?

“Indeed.

“Then, Polemarchus, it isn’t the function of a just person to harm a friend or anyone else, rather it is the function of his opposite, an unjust person?

“In my view that’s completely true, Socrates.

“If anyone tells us, then, that it is just to give to each what he’s owed and understands by this that a just man should harm his enemies and benefit his friends, he isn’t wise to say it, since what he says isn’t true, for it has become clear to us that it is never just to harm anyone?

“I agree.

“You and I shall fight as partners, then against anyone who tells us that Simonides, Bias, Pittacus, or any of our other wise and blessedly happy men said this.

“I, at any rate, am willing to be your partner in the battle.

“Do you know to whom I think the saying belongs that it is just to benefit friends and harm enemies?

“Who?

“I think it belongs to Periander, or Perdiccas, or Xerxes, or Ismenias of Corinth, or some other wealthy man who believed himself to have great power.

“That’s absolutely true.”


(Plato, The Republic, translated by G. M. A. Grube, revised by C. D. C. Reeve, Plato: Complete Works, edited by John M. Cooper, Hackett Publishing Company, Indianapolis, 1997, page 981, 335d-336a, ISBN: 9780872203495)


1.  I read this passage as focusing on cause and effect or, more specifically, means and ends.  Virtue is not the proper means for making people bad.  And acting justly is not a means that will generate injustice.  By implication, a person cannot live a life of non-harming by teaching them how to act in such a way that causes others harm.


This kind of analysis is often overlooked, particularly in a social or political context.  In my life I have been involved in various political causes and in that context I often hear someone passionately arguing that because the goal we are aiming for is good, it is legitimate to use ‘any means necessary’ to achieve it.  This can lead to disastrous consequences.  What should be kept in mind is that if we use negative, destructive, or harmful means to achieve our ends, on the ground that our ends are good, what we teach other people is that it is legitimate to use any available means to achieve a noble enough goal.  That is what they learn.  They don’t learn that the goal I want is good; instead they learn that it is legitimate to use means completely at odds with the stated goal.  This keeps the cycle of conflict going without end.


2.  The passage goes on to say that this kind of thinking is not wise, that it is contrary to wisdom.  This is because wisdom is founded on principles.  Non-harming is a transcendental principle that is not to be abandoned just because harming a few people, or a lot of people, will allow us to achieve our goal.  On a pragmatic level, even if using these means that are inconsistent with the principle we are advocating does lead to ‘victory,’ such a victory will only be temporary.  Others will soon follow behind us and, having learned that all means are available to now bring us down, they will do so at the first opportunity.


Wisdom is founded on, and grows out of noetic principles and understanding and the application of wisdom requires the retaining of these principles.  Otherwise one has abandoned wisdom.


3.  It’s interesting that Socrates uses the metaphor of a battle, which he and Polemarchus will fight against any who think that doing harm to enemies and good to friends is the way to live.  An actual battle is an occasion for harm; I don’t think there is any way around that.  But the battle Socrates is talking about is the dedicated search for truth and an adherence to the principles of the Platonic Way, including non-harming.


3.1  As an aside, the metaphor of a battle is often used in contexts that are not military in nature and are not in any real sense a battle.  The metaphor is often used for simply having a disagreement on some mundane matter with someone else.  The metaphor is often used in religious works as well in an allegorical manner.  I think this is unfortunate.  Using this kind of metaphor, or allegory, obscures the nature of harm and makes it more difficult to access the meaning of non-harming.  Having a disagreement with a friend about which noodles taste the best is not an occasion for harm.  Two Platonists disagreeing about whether the soul is fully descended or if the soul always retains a connection with the One is, again, not an occasion for harm even if the discussion is passionate and intense.  I understand why this metaphor is used so widely; I believe it is related to the idea that in situations where harm is done there is one person who ‘wins’ and another who ‘loses’ and this is superficially the same for the discussions I suggested.  But if my focus is on truth, then whether I am right or my opponent is right I benefit because the truth is uncovered.  That is why there is no harm in such discussions and that is why there is no harm in dialectic.


4.  Simonides (roughly 556-468 BCE) was a famous lyric poet who was widely admired for his poetic skill.  He also invented a system of mnemonics, and there are lots of stories about him.


Bias of Priene was a 6th BCE century Sage, one of the famous Seven Sages of Greece.  His writings have almost completely disappeared, but there is a bust of Bias that has the saying “most men are bad.”  


Pittacus of Mytilene (640-568 BCE) was a famous general and another of the Seven Sages of Greece.  In a battle against Athens Pittacus suggested that he and the Athenian general decide the conflict by battling one another; the result would be accepted by both sides.  In this way Pittacus avoided large scale loss of life.  Pittacus won the battle and ruled for ten years; after this he left his office having established a good constitution.


There is a story that Pittacus had a son who was killed.  The killer was brought before Pittacus who said, “Pardon is better than repentance” and he dismissed the man.


A saying of Pittacus, “It is a hard thing to be a good man,” is discussed in the dialogue Protagoras.  It is an extended analysis beginning at 343b.  Pittacus and Simonides evidently didn’t agree with each other on whether it was ‘hard to be a good man’ which makes it all the more interesting that both of them are listed in this collection of Sages that advocate for non-retaliation and non-harming.


These three Sages, Simonides, Bias, and Pittacus, are sighted as examples of previous philosophers and Sages who held the same view that Socrates is offering in this discussion; they are examples of those who hold the view “that it is never just to harm anyone.”  This implies that this teaching had been around for a long time,  Socrates   (470-399 BCE) lived about 200 years after the Sages that Socrates mentions.  And Socrates does not attribute these ethical teachings to these Sages; I mean that Socrates doesn’t suggest that these were the ones who came up with this kind of ethical stance.  It would be interesting to research earlier examples, if such can be found.


5.  The Sages are contrasted with four famous figures who had an opposite view of life.  In a footnote to the translation it reads, “The first three named (Periander, Perdiccas, and Xerxes) are notorious tyrants or kings, the fourth man (Ismenias) a man famous for his extraordinary wealth.”  As in many cases of great wealth, it is suggested that Ismenias acquired his wealth with little thought of its source, which was Persia.  (I think there is an appeal to the general idea that those who have great wealth are likely to have harmed others in order to attain that wealth.)


6.  The Republic is an extended allegory about the nature of justice and the soul’s relationship to justice.  Here there is the suggestion that non-harming is justice and that non-harming leads to the ascent into the light.



Monday, October 14, 2024

Plato on Non-Harming: 2

 15 October 2024

Plato on Non-Harming: 2


“Socrates:  Do we say that one must never in any way do wrong willingly, or must one do wrong in one way and not in another?  Is to do wrong never good or admirable, as we have agreed in the past, or have all these former agreements been washed out during the last few days?  Have we at our age failed to notice for some time that in our serious discussions we were no different from children?  Above all, is the truth such as we used to say it was, whether the majority agree or not, and whether we must still suffer worse things than we do now, or will be treated more gently, that nonetheless, wrongdoing or injustice is in every way harmful and shameful to the wrongdoer?  Do we say so or not?

“Crito:  We do.

“Socrates:  So one must never do wrong.

“Crito:  Certainly not.

“Socrates:  Nor must one, when wronged, inflict wrong in return, as the majority believe, since one must never do wrong.

“Crito:  That seems to be the case.

“Socrates:  Come now, should one do harm to anyone or not, Crito?

“Crito:  One must never do so.

“Socrates:  Well then, if one is done harm, is it right, as the majority say, to do harm in return, or is it not?

“Crito:  It is never right.

Socrates:  Doing harm to people is no different from wrongdoing.

“Crito:  That is true.

“Socrates:  One should never do wrong in return, nor do any man harm, no matter what he may have done to you.”


(Plato, Crito, translated by G. M. A. Grube, Plato: Complete Works, edited by John M. Cooper, Hackett Publishing Company, Indianapolis, 1997, pages 43 - 44, 49b-49d, ISBN: 9780872203495)


1.  “One should never do wrong in return, nor do any man harm . . . “  Usage like this indicates that ‘harm’ and ‘wrong,’ or ‘wrongdoing,’ are often treated interchangeably in the Dialogues.  In addition, the term ‘injustice’ is also often used as an equivalent for ‘harm’ and ‘wrong.’  It’s like ‘wounded’ and ‘maimed’ and ‘disfigured.’  Or it’s like ‘sophia’ and ‘phronesis’ which are two Greek words that both mean wisdom.


2.  This quote begins with Socrates referring to past discussions that Socrates and his students have had on this subject.  This indicates that the perspective of non-harming was one that was discussed frequently even though that is not reflected in the Dialogues that we have.  Was such discussion confined to a particular group?  I mean were these discussions only for select students and not for the general public?  I don’t mean that these teachings were esoteric but they might not have been the kind of teaching that would be offered to a newcomer or a casual observer.  I’m just speculating, it’s true, but I think it’s worth considering.


3.  The ethical standard that Socrates emphasizes is difficult to maintain or act on because it runs counter to broadly held standards in most societies.  Most societies, and most ethical systems, allow for retaliation; that is to say if someone harms you then that gives you the ‘right’ to harm that person.  


Socrates is arguing for the idea of non-retaliation when one has been harmed.  This runs against our instinctual response to such a situation.  We’ve all been there; when we are harmed, what immediately emerges is a harmful response and if we are unable to harm someone in response to their harming us at that moment, then we plot to enact retribution or vengeance another day.  The teaching of Socrates counters that and at the same time reveals to us how difficult such a commitment is to maintain.  It is difficult because it runs counter to our biological, or body-based, instincts.  It takes dedicated practice to be able to overcome the instinct to counter harm by doing harm.


4.  If we understand refraining from retaliation or retribution as an ethical ideal that Socrates is advocating, this helps us to understand why Socrates argues that it is necessary for the soul to separate itself from the body, to the best of its ability, while still alive.  Because retaliation, the returning of harm for harm received, is so instinctual, so body-based, it can only be overcome when our attention shifts from concern for the body to concern for the soul.  


5.  But what is the basis for this teaching of non-retaliation or non-retribution?  The dialogue does not say, but thinking about it, I suggest that this ethical teaching emerges from the idea of rebirth/reincarnation.  And in the background also is the idea of cyclic existence as a defining feature of the material world.


Rebirth is a consequence of the cyclical nature of the world soul which is then transmitted to, or emanated upon, the beings living in the material world.  In order to ascend to the noetic and the fully transcendental (the One and the Good) it is necessary to step out of cyclic existence, of genesis/samsara.  


Retaliation and retribution are instantiations of the cyclic nature of material existence; this explains why ancient hatreds are so intractable and seem to be never resolved.  This back and forth nature of harming and being harmed is endless because the cyclic nature of existence is endless; this endlessness being a distorted image of eternity (eternity transcends endlessness.)  


Non-retribution cuts through cyclic existence and frees the soul from its embeddedness in material processes and the endless cycle of genesis and suffering.  Looked at from this point of view, the soul is greatly benefitted by adopting non-harming as the foundation of its ethical interaction in the material world.  But it is not just a personal benefit; non-harming paves the way for all those who hope to free themselves from here and ascend to There.


6.  There are a lot of implications that emerge from, or are consequences of, the idea of non-retaliation.  For example, it would seem to lead to an anti-war position, a position that is not, as far as I can recall, referred to in the Dialogues with one possible exception: in the Phaedo Socrates states that war is the result of the body having endless desires, such as the desire for wealth.  War, then, would only cease when these desires are overcome which, in a Platonic context, means separation of the soul from the body.  That’s the basis, in my opinion, for non-harming and non-retaliation.


There are also a lot of questions regarding non-harming such as how to practice non-harming.  I mean beyond the general call for asceticism, what would non-harming practice look like?  


After noticing the teaching of non-harming in Platonism, and after pondering the teaching for some time, it becomes apparent that this teaching ripples out into many fields of practice.  It is, I think, a lifelong exploration.





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